would surplus at sometimes but ordinarily deficits were small and manageable. what's different today we're not necessarily talking about funding or not borrowing for disaster, we're borrowing for everything else and that puts us in this new and frankly uncomfortable position. if we had taken care of our underlying financial and fiscal needs and paid for the operation of this government without borrowing huge sums of money we wouldn't have to have this conversation. we've undermined our own ability for our own people. imagine the united states of america being in the circumstance it is today we have to ask other countries to lend us money so we can take care of our own. that's an embarrassment to me. i'm not happy to be in this position. it's not because of what happened in sandy, it's because of what happened before we got to sandy. >> congressman mick mulvaney nice to talk to you. makes an excellent point at the same time. if you are a person affected by sandy many folks in our state of new jersey you hear that, this is closing the barn door after the horse ha